Wednesday, August 09, 2006

When Arun Shourie Speaks ...

Last Thursday Dr. Arun Shourie was giving a talk on “Equal Opportunities: Alternatives & their Efficacies” (no prizes for guessing that the talk was against the reservations) at IISc through our students’ forum called Prasthutha. It was an absolute delight to listen to him. I put some key points of his talk here.

Indian Constitution has given high prominence for equality. But has also said that the ways and means in which it should be brought about should not affect the efficiency and hence the growth of the nation. Else it would lead to other adverse repercussions. But what is happening today? We have become experts in identifying inequality. Courtesy: Leftist rhetorics. Our eyes are strained to look at injustice, problems, inequality etc. So we start writing about it. Then the people suffering from so called inequality read it and come to us, and then we write more about it, and if that is exhausted we go around and discover inequality. Finally, if we can’t discover inequality we invent it!!!

There is no historical evidence to prove that Manusmriti was practiced in actuality. No one has ever given evidence regarding its practice. Marxist historians keep referring to the same few verses in it and say more than a millennium was full of upper cast extortions. Even just for the sake of it if you consider it were to be true, the makers of the Constitution were no fools to recommend reservation for just 10 years to compensate for the mistakes of one full millennium. So, the Constitution does not recommend reservation to compensate for the historical mistakes. It was inevitable at the time of Puna pact, 1932- when Gandhiji had to agree to it to avoid separate electorate based on caste.

Now we take a look at one of the progressive judges making some statements in his judgment. What do you mean by equality of opportunity if it does not produce equal outcome? If the outcome is not equal then the equal opportunity was a sham!! That is the (il)logical level to which our progressive judges can go!! He quotes to a write up called “Merit My Foot” (written in Rise and Awakening of Depressed Classes in India by a backward cast propagandist) in his judgment and states “nowhere merit is given such high importance as in India. It’s a pure invention to maintain the monopoly of the upper caste. Upper cast people keep the vast original inhabitants untouchables, tribals, backward castes, religious minorities…” The judge in his emotional judgment has forgotten that the religious minorities are not original inhabitants!! There is another twist to this statement, which is mentioned in Shourie’s latest book “Falling Over Backwards”. The twist is the author of the book "Rise and Awakening .." sources the statement to “THE HINDU” newspaper of 1931!! And which year was the judgment made? 1992!! So the judge took the situation of India in 1931 as reported by a newspaper and made this judgment. No verification of the ground reality was made.

Finally few lines about Madal commission. What was the basis for deciding caste based reservation in 1992? The 1931 census report! Because, after 1931, there was no caste based enumeration in census. But if you read the census report of 1931, you will see that province after province the chief commissioners of census have reported that the caste system was fluidic and it was undergoing a rapid change. They had a great difficulty in caste based enumeration. To illustrate the problem just one line is sufficient: The total population of India was estimated to be 352.8 million and the total no: people covered by caste based table was 220.7 million. Finally they had to abandon that. But Mandal commission took it from there 61 years later, distorted the figures arbitarily and made its notorious recommendations!

These are few glimpses of what was there in the talk. To listen to the complete talk visit http://www.iisc.ernet.in/prasthu The entire talk can be downloaded. If you want the video file of the talk, I will be more than happy to provide you. Mail me at ananda.sreenivas@gmail.com. Also read Shourie’s book ‘Falling Over Backwards” to know more about these issues. Once again the statement turns out be true: “When Shourie speaks Marxists vanish”

7 Comments:

At 8:49 AM, Blogger narada said...

Thanks for the post; I have linked your blog to my blog (numbablog.blogspot.com).

Narada

 
At 5:35 PM, Blogger Sriram said...

Thanks for bringing this up Ananda. It is people like you, the young generation, who are the future of India. Am very happy to see a sensible talk from Mr. Shorie. Remember.. Native indians are not given concessions because they were suppressed by Americans for so long. Jews are not given concessions by Germans because 6 million jews were killed. Indians are not given any concession after 300 years of oppressive ruling by Brits. It DOES NOT make any sense to give concession to minorities becuase they are believed to have been oppressed by upper caste.

 
At 12:40 PM, Blogger THIRD WORLD WAR said...

http://clearblogs.com/IndianConstitution/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/reforms4indianconstitution/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/kalkigaur/
REWRITE INDIAN CONSTUTION- CONVENE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY- KALKI GAUR
(1) Indian Constitution drafted in 1950 and undergone numerous amendments during one-dominant party system has become outdated and India needs a new constitutional assembly to draft a totally new constitution. Kalki Gaur has proposed a new Draft of a Constitution of India. Just as victorious USA imposed constitutions on Germany, Italy, Japan, Afghanistan and Iraq, similarly British Empire imposed 1950 Constitution on India to keep India week, instable and divided. It is time to convene a new Constitutional Assembly of India to draft de novo a Constitution of India. The 1950 Constitution is badly drafted and became outdated by numerous amendments, and 60 years is a too long a period for a Constitution to remain relevant and suitable for the modern aspirations of a Rising India, the Super Power of the world and in an age where archaic-nations states are giving way for continental-size regional supra-national federations. We need a new Constitution suitable for reunification of Indian Empire and to allow Greater India to emerge in Southeast Asia and Central Asia. It is a time to adopt a new constitution drafted by the new generation of India suitable for Global Power India.
(2) Prakash Karat of the CPM asked for EC reform. Once again, the CPI(M) and the Election Commission of India are on a collision course. In a direct attack on the Election Commission, CPI(M) General Secretary Prakash Karat said he had never seen a more biased Election Commission and wants EC to be accountable. The CPM made it clear that unless something is done to stem the rot, the commission - one of India's finest institutions since independence, will degenerate the way so many other institutions have been destroyed in the country. Bitter with their Bengal experience, where the Election Commission held almost a month long elections spread over five phases, the CPI(M) has now prepared a note that raises the issue of reforming the EC of India. The CPI(M) plans to circulate it among all political parties. The CPI(M) wants a legislation that will clearly spell out the power of the Commission as well as ensure political neutrality. "Here we have a commission that told us to our face, elections in Bengal are held according to Rig veda." said Prakash Karat, on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 in New Delhi. Prakash Karat wants to mould Indian Election Commission to make it similar to Chinese Election Commission and to make Indian Democracy similar to the Chinese democracy, the motherland of every CPM Communist in India. Perhaps Indians should work to overthrow Communism in China and install new Constitution of China similar to Indian Constitution.
(2) Some of the reforms suggested by CPI(M) demanded include: (a) No election commissioner should be associated with any political party even after his retirement. Kalki Gaur supports this reform.
(b) An Election Commissioner should not go on to become a member of any political party or a member of parliament and they should undertake an oath to this effect at the time of appointment The government should consult the leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha and the Chief Justice of India before naming election commissioners There should be greater clarity on the powers of election observers. Kalki Gaur supports this reform.
(3) Whether or not this note changes the way the Election Commission functions, but it will surely generate an intense debate. "It is a democratic country and everyone has the right to express their views. He said that former ECs cannot get associated with politics? I agree with that view," said N Gopalaswamy, Chief Election Commissioner.
(4) Populists and Neoconservatives make following suggestions regarding the Election process, electoral lists:
(A) All such politicians, voters and officials that conspired to enroll illegal aliens from Bangladesh into Indian electoral lists after 1951, should receive mandatory five year jail imprisonment and fine of Rs. 100,000 per case of illegal aliens, and debarred from holding any political office for the period of five years.
(B) All illegal aliens from Bangladesh that entered India after January 1, 1951 and their descendants even if born in India, must be removed from all electoral rolls, and deported from India.
(C) All political organizations that opposed Indian Freedom Movement, or conspired for the partition of India in 1947, and partition of India in 1935, and worked towards secession of Khula from India should be derecognized as political parties in India.
(D) No person holding a criminal record should have right to vote and contest any elections in India.
(E) No person holding any Black money more than Rs. 10 lacs or tax evader for more than Rs. 1 lac should be eligible to contest for any political office. All candidates must get a clearance from Tax authorities that their tax payments are current and they do not hold any black money.
(F) Any act of any government in power using the government officials for furtherance of election campaign must get deterrent punishment.
(5) People of India should adopt the Indian constitution presented in Kalki Gaur Blog URL http://clearblogs.com/indianconstutiton/
http://360.yahoo.com/hindustanempire/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/reforms4indianconstitution/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/kalkigaur/
KALKI GAUR EMAIL dilomatkalkigaur@yahoo.com

(38) Article 38: Election Commission of India
(0)(38B) Article 38B. Election Commission of India
Superintendence, direction and control of elections to be vested in an election commission
(1) The superintendence, direction and control of the preparation of the electoral rolls for, and the conduct of, all elections to Parliament and to the Legislature of every State and of elections to the offices of President and Vice-President held under this Constitution shall be vested in a Commission (referred to in this Constitution as the Election Commission).
(2) The Election Commission shall consist of the Chief Election Commissioner and such number of other Election Commissioners, if any, as the President may from time to time fix and the appointment of the Chief Election Commissioner and other Election Commissioners shall, subject to the provisions of any law made in that the President makes behalf by Parliament.
(3) When any other Election Commissioner is so appointed the Chief Election Commissioner shall act as the Chairman of the Election Commission.
(4) Before each general election to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assembly of each State, and before the first general election and thereafter before each biennial election to the Legislative Council of each State having such Council, the President may also appoint after consultation with the Election Commission such Regional Commissioners as he may consider necessary to assist the Election Commission in the performance of the functions conferred on the Commission.
(5) Subject to the provisions of any law made by Parliament, the conditions of service and tenure of office of the Election Commissioners and the Regional Commissioners shall be such as the President may by rule determine:
Provided that the Chief Election Commissioner shall not be removed from his office except in like manner and on the like grounds as a Judge of the Supreme Court and the conditions of service of the Chief Election Commissioner shall not be varied to his disadvantage after his appointment:
Provided further that any other Election Commissioner or a Regional Commissioner shall not be removed from office except on the recommendation of the Chief Election Commissioner.
(6) The President, or the Governor of a State, shall, when so requested by the Election Commission, make available to the Election Commission or to a Regional Commissioner such staff as may be necessary for the discharge of the functions conferred on the Election Commission.
(0)(38C) Article 38C. Single Electoral Roll
No person to be ineligible for inclusion in, or to claim to be included in a special, electoral roll on grounds of religion, race, caste or sex
There shall be one general electoral roll for every territorial constituency for election to either House of Parliament or to the House or either House of the Legislature of a State and no person shall be ineligible for inclusion in any such roll or claim to be included in any special electoral roll for any such constituency on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex or any of them.
(0)(38D) Article 38D. Elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assemblies of States to be on the basis of adult suffrage
The elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assembly of every State shall be on the basis of adult suffrage; that is to say, every person who is a citizen of India and who is not less than eighteen years of age on such date as may be fixed in that behalf by or under any law made by the appropriate Legislature and is not otherwise disqualified under this Constitution or any law made by the appropriate Legislature on the ground of non-residence, unsoundness of mind, crime or corrupt or illegal practice, shall be entitled to be registered as a voter at any such election.
(0)(38E) Article 38E. Power of Parliament to make provision with respect to elections to Legislatures
Subject to the provisions of this Constitution, Parliament may from time to time by law make provision with respect to all matters relating to, or in connection with, elections to either House of Parliament or to the House or either House of the Legislature of a State including the preparation of electoral rolls, the delimitation of constituencies and all other matters necessary for securing the due constitution of such House or Houses.
(0)(38F) Article 38F. Power of Legislature of a State to make provision with respect to elections to such Legislature
Subject to the provisions of this Constitution and in so far as provision in that behalf is not made by Parliament, the Legislature of a State may from time to time by law make provision with respect to all matters relating to, or in connection with, the elections to the House or either House of the Legislature of the State including the preparation of electoral rolls and all other matters necessary for securing the due constitution of such House or Houses.
(0)(38G) Article 38G. Bar to interference by courts in electoral matters
Notwithstanding anything in this Constitution - (a) the validity of any law relating to the delimitation of constituencies or the allotment of seats to such constituencies made or purporting to be made, shall not be called in question in any court;
(b) no election to either House of Parliament or to the House or either House of the Legislature of a State shall be called in question except by an election petition presented to such authority and in such manner as may be provided for by or under any law made by the appropriate Legislature.
(0)(38H) Article 38H. Special provision as to elections to Parliament in the case of Prime Minister and Speaker
© 2006 Author Kalki Gaur, “Populist Constitution of India”
Email DiplomatKalkiGaur@Yahoo.Com;
Web Blog http://360.yahoo.com/HindustanEmpire/ http://clearblogs.com/indianconstitution/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/reform4indianconstitution/

 
At 12:41 PM, Blogger THIRD WORLD WAR said...

http://clearblogs.com/IndianConstitution/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/reforms4indianconstitution/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/kalkigaur/
REWRITE INDIAN CONSTUTION- CONVENE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY- KALKI GAUR
(1) Indian Constitution drafted in 1950 and undergone numerous amendments during one-dominant party system has become outdated and India needs a new constitutional assembly to draft a totally new constitution. Kalki Gaur has proposed a new Draft of a Constitution of India. Just as victorious USA imposed constitutions on Germany, Italy, Japan, Afghanistan and Iraq, similarly British Empire imposed 1950 Constitution on India to keep India week, instable and divided. It is time to convene a new Constitutional Assembly of India to draft de novo a Constitution of India. The 1950 Constitution is badly drafted and became outdated by numerous amendments, and 60 years is a too long a period for a Constitution to remain relevant and suitable for the modern aspirations of a Rising India, the Super Power of the world and in an age where archaic-nations states are giving way for continental-size regional supra-national federations. We need a new Constitution suitable for reunification of Indian Empire and to allow Greater India to emerge in Southeast Asia and Central Asia. It is a time to adopt a new constitution drafted by the new generation of India suitable for Global Power India.
(2) Prakash Karat of the CPM asked for EC reform. Once again, the CPI(M) and the Election Commission of India are on a collision course. In a direct attack on the Election Commission, CPI(M) General Secretary Prakash Karat said he had never seen a more biased Election Commission and wants EC to be accountable. The CPM made it clear that unless something is done to stem the rot, the commission - one of India's finest institutions since independence, will degenerate the way so many other institutions have been destroyed in the country. Bitter with their Bengal experience, where the Election Commission held almost a month long elections spread over five phases, the CPI(M) has now prepared a note that raises the issue of reforming the EC of India. The CPI(M) plans to circulate it among all political parties. The CPI(M) wants a legislation that will clearly spell out the power of the Commission as well as ensure political neutrality. "Here we have a commission that told us to our face, elections in Bengal are held according to Rig veda." said Prakash Karat, on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 in New Delhi. Prakash Karat wants to mould Indian Election Commission to make it similar to Chinese Election Commission and to make Indian Democracy similar to the Chinese democracy, the motherland of every CPM Communist in India. Perhaps Indians should work to overthrow Communism in China and install new Constitution of China similar to Indian Constitution.
(2) Some of the reforms suggested by CPI(M) demanded include: (a) No election commissioner should be associated with any political party even after his retirement. Kalki Gaur supports this reform.
(b) An Election Commissioner should not go on to become a member of any political party or a member of parliament and they should undertake an oath to this effect at the time of appointment The government should consult the leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha and the Chief Justice of India before naming election commissioners There should be greater clarity on the powers of election observers. Kalki Gaur supports this reform.
(3) Whether or not this note changes the way the Election Commission functions, but it will surely generate an intense debate. "It is a democratic country and everyone has the right to express their views. He said that former ECs cannot get associated with politics? I agree with that view," said N Gopalaswamy, Chief Election Commissioner.
(4) Populists and Neoconservatives make following suggestions regarding the Election process, electoral lists:
(A) All such politicians, voters and officials that conspired to enroll illegal aliens from Bangladesh into Indian electoral lists after 1951, should receive mandatory five year jail imprisonment and fine of Rs. 100,000 per case of illegal aliens, and debarred from holding any political office for the period of five years.
(B) All illegal aliens from Bangladesh that entered India after January 1, 1951 and their descendants even if born in India, must be removed from all electoral rolls, and deported from India.
(C) All political organizations that opposed Indian Freedom Movement, or conspired for the partition of India in 1947, and partition of India in 1935, and worked towards secession of Khula from India should be derecognized as political parties in India.
(D) No person holding a criminal record should have right to vote and contest any elections in India.
(E) No person holding any Black money more than Rs. 10 lacs or tax evader for more than Rs. 1 lac should be eligible to contest for any political office. All candidates must get a clearance from Tax authorities that their tax payments are current and they do not hold any black money.
(F) Any act of any government in power using the government officials for furtherance of election campaign must get deterrent punishment.
(5) People of India should adopt the Indian constitution presented in Kalki Gaur Blog URL http://clearblogs.com/indianconstutiton/
http://360.yahoo.com/hindustanempire/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/reforms4indianconstitution/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/kalkigaur/
KALKI GAUR EMAIL dilomatkalkigaur@yahoo.com

(38) Article 38: Election Commission of India
(0)(38B) Article 38B. Election Commission of India
Superintendence, direction and control of elections to be vested in an election commission
(1) The superintendence, direction and control of the preparation of the electoral rolls for, and the conduct of, all elections to Parliament and to the Legislature of every State and of elections to the offices of President and Vice-President held under this Constitution shall be vested in a Commission (referred to in this Constitution as the Election Commission).
(2) The Election Commission shall consist of the Chief Election Commissioner and such number of other Election Commissioners, if any, as the President may from time to time fix and the appointment of the Chief Election Commissioner and other Election Commissioners shall, subject to the provisions of any law made in that the President makes behalf by Parliament.
(3) When any other Election Commissioner is so appointed the Chief Election Commissioner shall act as the Chairman of the Election Commission.
(4) Before each general election to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assembly of each State, and before the first general election and thereafter before each biennial election to the Legislative Council of each State having such Council, the President may also appoint after consultation with the Election Commission such Regional Commissioners as he may consider necessary to assist the Election Commission in the performance of the functions conferred on the Commission.
(5) Subject to the provisions of any law made by Parliament, the conditions of service and tenure of office of the Election Commissioners and the Regional Commissioners shall be such as the President may by rule determine:
Provided that the Chief Election Commissioner shall not be removed from his office except in like manner and on the like grounds as a Judge of the Supreme Court and the conditions of service of the Chief Election Commissioner shall not be varied to his disadvantage after his appointment:
Provided further that any other Election Commissioner or a Regional Commissioner shall not be removed from office except on the recommendation of the Chief Election Commissioner.
(6) The President, or the Governor of a State, shall, when so requested by the Election Commission, make available to the Election Commission or to a Regional Commissioner such staff as may be necessary for the discharge of the functions conferred on the Election Commission.
(0)(38C) Article 38C. Single Electoral Roll
No person to be ineligible for inclusion in, or to claim to be included in a special, electoral roll on grounds of religion, race, caste or sex
There shall be one general electoral roll for every territorial constituency for election to either House of Parliament or to the House or either House of the Legislature of a State and no person shall be ineligible for inclusion in any such roll or claim to be included in any special electoral roll for any such constituency on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex or any of them.
(0)(38D) Article 38D. Elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assemblies of States to be on the basis of adult suffrage
The elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assembly of every State shall be on the basis of adult suffrage; that is to say, every person who is a citizen of India and who is not less than eighteen years of age on such date as may be fixed in that behalf by or under any law made by the appropriate Legislature and is not otherwise disqualified under this Constitution or any law made by the appropriate Legislature on the ground of non-residence, unsoundness of mind, crime or corrupt or illegal practice, shall be entitled to be registered as a voter at any such election.
(0)(38E) Article 38E. Power of Parliament to make provision with respect to elections to Legislatures
Subject to the provisions of this Constitution, Parliament may from time to time by law make provision with respect to all matters relating to, or in connection with, elections to either House of Parliament or to the House or either House of the Legislature of a State including the preparation of electoral rolls, the delimitation of constituencies and all other matters necessary for securing the due constitution of such House or Houses.
(0)(38F) Article 38F. Power of Legislature of a State to make provision with respect to elections to such Legislature
Subject to the provisions of this Constitution and in so far as provision in that behalf is not made by Parliament, the Legislature of a State may from time to time by law make provision with respect to all matters relating to, or in connection with, the elections to the House or either House of the Legislature of the State including the preparation of electoral rolls and all other matters necessary for securing the due constitution of such House or Houses.
(0)(38G) Article 38G. Bar to interference by courts in electoral matters
Notwithstanding anything in this Constitution - (a) the validity of any law relating to the delimitation of constituencies or the allotment of seats to such constituencies made or purporting to be made, shall not be called in question in any court;
(b) no election to either House of Parliament or to the House or either House of the Legislature of a State shall be called in question except by an election petition presented to such authority and in such manner as may be provided for by or under any law made by the appropriate Legislature.
(0)(38H) Article 38H. Special provision as to elections to Parliament in the case of Prime Minister and Speaker
© 2006 Author Kalki Gaur, “Populist Constitution of India”
Email DiplomatKalkiGaur@Yahoo.Com;
Web Blog http://360.yahoo.com/HindustanEmpire/ http://clearblogs.com/indianconstitution/
http://indiatalking.com/blog/reform4indianconstitution/

 
At 1:53 PM, Blogger Human said...

guys try including hindu code bill in your new constitution.

 
At 2:51 PM, Blogger अंतर तुझ्या माझ्यातले... said...

I have read this book(arun shouries worshiping false god) quite many times.All i could see is a frustrated Journalist speaking about such a great personality.What arunshourie has is his own interpretation of events of national movement.Just wait for a while and imagine free would have been free india with Baba sahib contribution.It is unimaginable.Whole country should be proud that we had great son like ambedkar.Arun shourie should remember Baba sahib didnt convert in a day or two bhuddhism.He has to wait for almost 54 years before converting waiting for a change of hard core hindus mind set.When there was no alternative he changed.Every gesture of his should be remembered was patriotic in nature.He choose a religion, indian in nature,which had taught equality,and preserved indian culture. shourie cant even be dust of baba sahebs shoes .About narayana guru,atleast first let him no who is narayana guru,he is a great saint contemporary with baba saheb.One of his writings there is a mention of narayana gurus inspiration was baba saheb.Arun knows only to object socialism,first of let me know what he has done to country,disinvesting well performing public sectors to private patnership and how much he had percentage by selling.Let him first right about dark side of his so called rightist society.How much he contributed to welfare of women, eradication bonded child labour,atrocities against dalits.%0d%0aArun should remember debacle of NDA in 2004 is because of your own disinvestment policies.You want to generate economy only for capataliist and elite class.Without equitable distribution of resources across all sections society u may not achieve development.U remember india is able to sustain recession because of our farmers and labour class.Not the class u believe will help indian econ.If u have guts write about satyam let me see%0d%0aCapatalist have come and gone.Farms and laboures always have protected the country from disaster. Arun change his sick mind if u cant give anothing 2 society.dont be critic of

 
At 2:56 PM, Blogger Human said...

The author of the book again , who thinks of the patriotism is to keep india, away from Britishers, but they like to have social discrimination.The only preindependant privileged persons on account of ’Manusmriti’ still wants to avail the all the opportunities again after post independence, but failed to do that due to social equalisation, upliftment of poor ones and depressed class one .And the people who do not want this, could give the references of the books to prove the things which will lead to controvercies, will show their narrow mindedness only. Poor india, The author himself who is dictating or otherwise alledging the architect of constitution of India of becoming non patriotic, his such thinking is revealing that author of this book was dreaming an independant India without revolution in social indiscrimination.
poor author...and his poor view.........

 

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